Monday, November 30, 2015
Time Travel And "City On The Edge Of Forever?"
Please write a critique of The City On The Edge Of Forever using the Traveling Through Time and/or Carl Sagan Ponders Time Travel
articles. Challenge at least one idea within your notes that the
article seems to debunk or challenge. Please defend your response and
use quotations to support. This blog response is due by 2:30p.m. on Fri., Dec. 4th.
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In the movie the guy on the street gets beamed or something which he does with the doctors tool. But if he used that wouldn't time be still messed up because of this old guy getting disappeared and or moved somewhere which would still change the past.
ReplyDeleteI think in The City On The Edge Of Forever, the way time doesn't move once they come out of the portal back to their time, however time moved in the older world. This doesn't work because time is always moving according to science, so there couldn't be a way that time stops in one reality compared to the other, assuming the science behind it all is correct
ReplyDeleteEven one single small moment in time can effect the whole future. This concept shows up in many other shows and movies where time travel is a possibility. The reasoning makes sense at least, but why? If or when we would be able to time travel why would we go back in time and risk all of this? The risks are too high, so why go back to change the past?
ReplyDeleteOne idea that I would challenge is the ability to travel back in time which the article "Carl Sagan Ponders Time Travel"says it is impossible because the only way to make the future as it is was for the captain was to travel back in time. That was how time happened before and how it always happened, but McCoy managed to change that and so the idea to travel back in time is not as impossible because it shows a way to go back in time and then return without affecting anything. The butterfly effect also plays a huge role in the film because the fate of WW2 depends on weather a woman dies in a car crash or not.
ReplyDeleteTime travel might be able to be possible somehow, but it shouldn't be because it could change everything in someone's entire life. In "The City on the Edge of Forever" could have changed the world's whole future! Carl Sagan even says "But the idea that going back into the past could wipe me out so I would have never lived is somewhat disuieting." (NOVA 1) I agree with that because that's terrifying.
ReplyDeleteI liked The City on the Edge of Forever. I thought it was creative and exciting. However, I think that some of the concepts were not thought through as well. For example, when Kirk and Spock travel back in time, they are not careful at all to avoid upsetting time and therefore could have caused just as big of an issue. It's unlikely that their presence made no impact at all on the future, even if the impact wasn't so apocalyptic. Additionally, when Edith sees Spock's machine, he replies, "I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins." This could very easily have caused Edith to become suspicious and her actions due to her suspicion could alter the future. While this episode explores important concepts pertaining to time and its movement, it could have been thought through better.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't time be forever changed because that hobo to McCoy's time traveling device and left. If something as small as a butterfly dying can affect the future shouldn't that.
ReplyDeleteSomething that challenges this episode of Star Trek,is the ability of traveling backwards in time.Going by what NOVA "Traveling Through Time" and what Carl Sagan explained it's hard to determine if it would be possible unless there is solid evidence that it can work.In Star Trek it seemed to be possible to travel through different times by landing getting beamed down on a planet and going through a portal.That may be a possibility,but it's hard to be sure.
ReplyDeleteThis episode of Star Trek really addresses the idea of the butterfly affect really well. In the episode, "City on the edge of forever", the characters go back in time to stop their doctor from changing the future. The one thing that the doctor was going to do, would change the course of history forever. In the end of the episode, captain Kurk, lets his short time love die, in order to keep everything the way it was. If he didn't do this, then the course of war and power would have been changed forever, and they would never be able to get back to their ship. I liked the episode of Star Trek, even though it was cheesy. But cheesy is good for a old show.
ReplyDeleteIn the movie, I would like to challenge the use of the Butterfly Affect because although it has a good demonstration on how it works, but a peace movement could not cause the person who lead it to be president. "Carl Sagan Ponders Time Travel" Sagan writes as he is challenging whether time travel could exist or not.
ReplyDeleteThe butterfly affect is demonstrated very well in Star Trek, City on the Edge of Forever. The two main characters have to go back in time and prevent history from changing because of the doctor that also went back in time. This demonstrates how the smallest things can effect the rest of history, and really demonstrates the butterfly affect well.
ReplyDeleteThe beaming down of people/teleportation is not possible yet. The technology to completely deconstruct and reconstruct a whole being is not possible. It is much to difficult to do that at the current time.
ReplyDeleteIn the Star Trek Episode, "City On The Edge of Forever," Spock and Captain Kirk travel back in time to save their future. One aspect of this episode that is wrong is that this situation. Based on the Grandfather Paradox, none of this could've happened. Even if they were to go back in time everything they could've done wouldn't have affected the future. Despite all their best efforts to save the woman from the car she still would've died.
ReplyDeleteIn the Star Trek episode, The City on the Edge of Forever, a common theme in time travel is portrayed: the Butterfly Effect. The Butterfly Effect is the idea that when one goes back in time, one thing that he changes from the past will affect history forever. This is shown when Captain Kirk falls in love with Edith and has to struggle with his feelings to let the future happen. Edith has to die in order for American and world history to be normal. Carl Sagan challenges whether time travel could even be possible. It it wasn’t, the Butterfly Effect would be a strictly fictional idea.
ReplyDeleteCarl Sagan was talking about what the Grandfather Paradox was, and he said, “...that you travel into the past and murder your own grandfather before he sires your mother or your father, and where does that leave you?”. This is one of the oldest questions pondered by science fiction writers, and it can be generalized into the Butterfly Effect, which is the theory that if one little thing changes in the past, like the death of a butterfly before it was supposed to die, then where would that leave the future? And that was portrayed very well in “City on the Edge of Forever”, as when Scotty went into the past the entire future had changed, but when Spock and Kirk went into the past to stop Scotty and what he was doing, the future reset itself.
ReplyDeleteThe City On The Edge Of Forever talks about how they go back in time using time travel can possibly retrieve their crewmate which has altered present day, they go back to fix the past to correct the present. The Traveling Through Time article debunks the idea because it states, “... many still believe time travel to the past will never be easily attainable,” (NOVA Traveling through time). The possibility of time travel is there, it is just actually doing it that is the problem.
ReplyDeleteIn The City on the Edge of Forever, I was really intrigued by the idea of the show. Being able to save a nation by letting a woman die in a car accident seems like a crazy idea. It made me wonder if everything is planned to happen for the future or if we can disrupt the future. I was not impressed by Edith's decision making as she went along with Kurt and Spock's story and didn't question them once while she saw Spock experiments. They new nothing of where they were, what time, and who they were and she seemed okay with that. I wonder if they are people that are going to save me from getting hit by a car or let me die resulting in a future change. I will keep my head up the next time I am crossing the road.
ReplyDeleteThis film really interested me because it made me have to actually think and wonder what would happen if someone went into the past and killed someone, would that destroy that entire family tree? I loves this film.
ReplyDeleteThis film really interested me because it made me have to actually think and wonder what would happen if someone went into the past and killed someone, would that destroy that entire family tree? I loves this film.
ReplyDeleteThis film really interested me because it made me have to actually think and wonder what would happen if someone went into the past and killed someone, would that destroy that entire family tree? I loves this film.
ReplyDeleteIn the film, I would challenge the fact that after the doctor changes history, that captain Kirk and the others would even exist any more.
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