Friday, April 9, 2010
Duplicity? Reality?
Are the Grandfather Paradox and time travel essential elements within the Star Trek Episode: The City On The Edge Of Forever? If so, why are what makes them essential? How does this episode make you think about your Time Travel Artifact writing? Reflect, contemplate, and respond by 2:30p.m. on Monday, April 12th.
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The show has an interesting take on the grandfather paradox. The paradox says this should have been the way it was and the starship enterprise should have never existed, but then they never could have jumped through in the first place. However, if you think of this being a natural part of the time line and the time line simply splits and then reconnects later on when it is fixed.
ReplyDeletegoing back in the past to change the change that was made in the past. Basically i see it all as fixing the paradox itself. first you make the paradox, then u must go back farther then the problem was made to stop the problem from being made in the first place. ITS A CLASSIC PARADOX :) , complete with all the classic elements. Someone goes to the past, that changes future. The changed caused by time travel must be fixed by time travel. a vicious circle. it makes me feel like all but the mode of time travel had been figured out in our modern day. Im reminded by a quote from Terminator:" We have no fate but what we make."
ReplyDeleteThese are both essential parts of the story because the gateway is the cause of the destruction of the Enterprise in the future. There is no problem in this story without the disruption of history by the Doctor. The idea that Spock and Kirk wouldn't further disrupt the flow of time is a little confusing. The Sound of Thunder seems to suggest that Kirk may further ruin the future just by falling in love with the lady.
ReplyDeleteI think time travel is very essential in this Star Trek clip because it explains the complexes of the future and of the past and present. I find it ironic that Spock and Kirk are going back in time to stop Dr. McCoy from changing the future, but they themselves find that they are able to change the future in the things they do.
ReplyDeleteThe concept of time as a river has been seen as an essential time travel concept. Is what the characters in this Star Trek accomplish possible- to go back in time and prevent something from happening? I don't believe that time travel will ever be possible, or else everything would be constantly changing and messed up.
ReplyDeleteWhen Dr. McCoy jumps through a formation that sends him back in time, he destroys the present and everything changed. So they decide to go into the past to fix whatever it was that the Dr. did to make everything go back to normal and make it like nothing ever happened. And what will set things straight is the death of a woman social worker. This displays the Grandfather Paradox by going back in time and changing the past and it affects the present/future. It also uses time travel because they go through something like a worm hole to be transported back in time.
ReplyDeleteThe grandfather paradox is important to think about in this episode because if the doctor was indeed able to travel through time, and change the future, then Capt. Kirk and Spock would not have been in the future, to be able to go back in time.
ReplyDeleteYes there are, to time travel they used a device that was neither human or machine and a way of time traveling is essential. The people that time traveled are from the future and are traveling to the pass in the thirties. They come in contact with tools they are not used to using and cleaning material that they don't know what they are. This makes me think about my writing because it's an artifact not known to anyone like these tool not known to the time travelers.
ReplyDeleteDue to the fact that Spoke and Captain Kirk have come to the past has changed what happens to Edith. If they allow McCoy to change the past she will either live or die. If they had never found out about her 2 different possible outcomes would the story have never changed or is it McCoy that changes the circumstances?
ReplyDeleteYes i think that time travel and the grandfather paradox was a essentual to this episode of star trek because it was different than the normal episode and they needed to go back in time to save the doctor. this makes me think that what ever i make happen in the past the future will be greatly affected no matter how small the change is.
ReplyDeleteI do believe that the Grandfather Paradox is essential to time travel elements to this Star Trek episode. Its probably the only time machine in star trek. It makes me think that time travel is very rare to find, and if you find it, and life as you know can change if some random thing happens.
ReplyDeleteIn the Star Trek episode, time travel is essential, as Spock says they are going through "ripples in time". Also, the "landing party" involves a sort of uncloaking or time-transfer device which makes them magically appear where they want to go. The shipman (McCoy) jumps back into time, somewhere in the past, and the "guardian" tells them that if they find McCoy they can escape being lost between time forever. The chances of their success are astronomically slim. The idea that one could simply jump back into time through a portal is almost as ridiculous as the grandfather paradox, and nearly as unexplainable. And captain Kirk going on a date with a woman thousands of years older than him hardly makes any sense whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteBecause if you back in the past and do something in the past which doesn't happen will change the future in some way or another.
ReplyDeleteI like the way that they keep true to the Grandfather theory. I like the corny drama. I think the paradox exists, but only slightly. We do not see the double only the original.
ReplyDeleteThere is definitely elements of the Grandfather Paradox in the Star Trek Episode. If someone goes back in time, they can change the future dramatically. Even if they do one tiny thing because it could create a domino effect. One thing will lead to another and before you know it, everything you've ever known is gone. But if you go back in time, then is there a replica of yourself still in the future, or not? And it is also a strange concept that in a specific area, time does not exist. That would make society go into chaos, it time didn't exist. Because our whole world revolves around time. And it could be disastrous if someone from the past got hold of something of the future.
ReplyDeleteBoth elements are essential in this Star Trek Episode. They are essential because Spock and the Captain travel back in the past so that they can protect the past so that their future isn't changed so that they can save themselves from where they ended up from the doctor. It's hard to explain in some ways. However, I'm not sure if I could necessarily relate it so much to the artifact. In this episode, they are not trying to take something back with them to the future. I guess in some ways, the technology the bum steals from the doctor could be like to artifact. This is because the man takes himself back to the ship by beaming himself. To both the bum and the ship mates, this could be something new because they could both be unfamiliar with one another. I'm thinking that the idea of unfamiliarity is something that stays constant with both time travel and the artifact though.
ReplyDeleteBoth the Grandfather paradox and time travel are essential in this episode. They are looking into the future and in order for them to live the lady has to die but Kirk is falling in love with her.
ReplyDeleteBoth are part of time travel, but as someone said earlier in this blog that if that guy went back and changed time and the entrprise never came about they wouldn't have been able to jump back in time. For the movie it makes it work better if they can go back in time still. I agree with what some others say were possibly the timeline breaks for a moment so they so have the chance to fix the past so that they can go about living normally.
ReplyDeleteThis helps with the time travel paper because it gives you an visual idea of what you should write about and how hard this actually could be. you have to take into account the whole idea that you don't know what the item is and that you have to fix something without know completely knowing how to do it.
In this film, the people go back in time and change things by little actions. They are trying to fix something without knowing how so the future will be normal.
ReplyDeleteIn the Grandfather Paradox and the Star Trek film, the people go back in time and try to change the past but don't realize that they will be changing the future so much. They are only allowed to go back in order to fix something that went wrong and find that they really have found a home from that time period and it ends up being a lot harder for them to continue on back to where they came from in the end.
ReplyDeleteBoth Grandfather Paradox and the Star Trek episode confronted the idea that something altered in the past can prevent circumstances in the present from ever happening. The entire episode of Star Trek addressed every circumstance discussed within Grandfather Paradox. They are essential elements in this film to create the ultimatum that the crew of the Enterprise had to face. In order for the crew to fix the present, they had to stop McCoy from tampering with the past. This episode reminds me of the Time Travel Artifact writing in the sense that something from the past or future can be seen as completely outlandish in a different time. Spock and captain Kirk stood out to everyone in the 30’s. The wardrobe and behavior of the two seemed odd to everyone, similar to the object I found in my Time Travel Artifact writing.
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